Crowder

Trevor Tyson  0:01  
Thank you for tuning in to Trevor talks podcast where we talk to real people about real topics and real stories. Today's guest is somewhat of a multi talented individual. Not only is he a bearded wonder, but he is one of the biggest names in Christian music, his brand new album milk and honey just release and is currently living on the top of my Apple Music Playlist. And we're just excited to have them today. Today. We've got Mr. David Crowder on the show. David, welcome. Thanks for being here.

David Crowder  0:29  
Thank you for having me, man. It's awesome. It's good to see you again. To do this. We have history. Yeah,

Trevor Tyson  0:35  
we've got quite a bit of history and getting locked up on airplanes for about four hours. Almost missed some festivals.

David Crowder  0:41  
I forgot about that one. That was kind of Yeah, it was kind of intense there. But

Trevor Tyson  0:45  
it was it was pretty intense. But at the end of the night after set, I was running out on stage to kind of hype everybody up and we kind of had that I locked moment. It's like, we made it. We made it. We made no idea. Yeah. Now we kind of missed out on the we got the short end of the stick because the rest of the band got on their own little private plane to get there. So we ended up staying on Delta. But it was it was good to go. But

David Crowder  1:08  
you just had a new record come out. We did man. And we barely I mean, we're that's so crazy. It's always a sprint, we had what we when we locked down, it was probably it's probably a year and a half. From the moment I was told to go home off the road. And that's plenty of time to come up with a record. And so it's like, every time I'm doing an album it's it's at the very end here like why why why am I like not sleeping this last week. And this should not be this hard. This work should not be this hard. And sure enough, the same deal man is like sprint to the end. But we got it out just in time and I'm super happy to have it out in the world finally,

Trevor Tyson  1:49  
well, it just debuted at number one on the Christian charts in the US Billboard.

David Crowder  1:53  
That's That's crazy. That's great.

Trevor Tyson  1:55  
It's pretty great. I'm sure the record labels happy. You look happy. You know.

David Crowder  2:03  
I love the songs. Man. I'm so excited about the songs and but the same, same deal and musics best when it's happening in the air with people in the room. So I'm ready to get back out and make make noise in front of folks. This is way more fun that way.

Trevor Tyson  2:17  
Yeah. And this album, just like the other three has its own kind of unique sound. And I really want to dive into that this has more of the ambient choir with some folk Tronic in there, you know, it almost feels like it's hip hop inspired. Is that true?

David Crowder  2:33  
That Yeah, I kind of started down that road a little bit on I know, it goes without a little bit of a lot of bit. The last record before this one wanted, I made it in a totally different way I just had a bunch of people send me beats as if you were as if I were a hip hop artist, which I am not. But man, it was so freeing to write a different way. And so coming into this album, I was hoping to take what I had learned with that experience and then then sort of do a blend of the two, you know, know what foundational elements may or may not be there in a track and have the freedom to start with track if I wanted to. But at the same time, right in a more traditional way with the track creation being a part of the writing, writing process and, and so it feels like a much more cohesive sound than I've done. I've gotten to thus far in the in the solo endeavor. You know, I'm always trying to grow as a techie nerd, I love studio gear and obviously gear head and and I love poking around at stuff. But it's so difficult to take what what is interesting to me in a moment and make it function and in a way that supports something that a lot of people can connect to, like I might be geeking out over a particular sound and be lost in it for a day or two. And and nobody even cares, you know, I mean, it's like, no, the first hi hat would have been just fine. Crowder. So I think there's a there's a part of the songwriting process and the creation of the music process. That is a letting go. And I think that's part of what I'm getting a little bit better at. You say your DS a terrible thing,

Trevor Tyson  4:18  
man. I can't say I can relate with that. But I totally get it. You say you're not a rapper, but I

David Crowder  4:26  
do. I do. There have been occasions I've tried to I call it talking time, you know, talking talking fast and out loud. And so I have done that on a couple of occasions. But it didn't I don't fancy myself as a rapper. No. You throw a beat and and and a microphone and say go. You're not No, it's not gonna be a good rap. And you went out and you went out a different deal. Yeah, different thing. Yeah,

Trevor Tyson  4:54  
but you have Hovey on this latest record, and that song actually surprised me. Because I didn't look at the tracklisting before I started, listen to it the day it came out. I was like, I gotta hear this man. And we had a little reality. Yeah, it's a little rowdy, but it's on brand for you. You set out on this Crowder endeavor from the David Crowder band to do something more personal for yourself, but it's really amplifying the voice of the church. All of your songs are really, really, really, really just unique in their own way. You can play them on the front porch, you can play them on Sunday service, like, Let's go what's, what's the whole process behind that? What did the writing process look like? Going into Crowder like neon steeple, and how's it progressed as you've gone on?

David Crowder  5:44  
Yeah, um, I didn't, I just knew that I like making music for the church. You know, after the other endeavor came after David Crowder estrus band came to an end, I didn't know if it was music that I didn't know if that's what I still need to be doing. And initially, I started, you know, since I love music, I just found myself around the, you know, house writing country songs, and they were just pretty easy to get I enjoyed it, it was just pretty fun. And I hadn't ever really written anything outside of church music. And these things were just kind of coming. And I was like, this is interesting. Maybe, maybe I could do this kind of thing for a bit and be a writer or something. And, and just there wasn't a satisfaction in it. It was like fun. But it felt like it just felt fun. And, and there wasn't like, a purpose that was felt felt like I'm, I'm playing my role. And the way I'm put together aiding the endeavors of the community to fete them in and so I just realize there's a there's a deeper level of satisfaction that I get, particularly when I feel like I'm serving a function for the church. And specifically, I moved to Atlanta, Georgia, and I was part of the Passion City Church there and, and I just found myself like, you know, it's like, who's gonna bring the casserole dish on Wednesday, it's like, I feel like, I feel like I'm supposed to bring what how I'm put together to aid our our endeavors as a community and, and I'm musically inclined, and I want to help in that way. And so I then knew, Okay, I'm not done with this, because it still feels like, there, there are things I can say uniquely, for our group of people and, and I have the people around me, they're still encouraged me to do it, you know, my pastor and his wife are, have been super a part of my life since I started making music. And they're like, We think we're with you, if you if you feel like you're still forcefully doing this, we're with you. And, um, so we, we, we geared up again, and went at it, and it was really much more of a total restart than than I thought it would be, you know, it's probably a couple of year lag between the end of the David Crowder band and and this solo thing. And I just figured, well, you know, my name was in the first one. So surely people would be interested in what I do next. No, it wasn't like that. It was like starting all over, which was really kind of fun. And freeing. And, and it's been so it's been a building process of, of finding what sounds I was interested in at the time. As far as musicians go, the door was wide open, where in the past, we were very insular. And it was just, you know, us that were, we were basically the church band in Waco, Texas, at our church. And it was us that were in the studio together making the music so, you know, as a collective of the six of us and then and then now it was like, Okay, well, who do you want to play guitar on this, I'm like, Oh, my gosh, never, never thought about that before. Because we always just had, you know, Jack, or Sally or mark or somebody sitting around, it was playing guitar. And so that that became really enjoyable in the sense of, I've had a lot of friends that are musicians that I've admired for years, and I'd give them a holler and be like, Hey, could you come over and, and play a bit on my record and, and so that was it was really fun to have music be a way that I used to, I used to say, it was incredible to have music coming out of relationship, which was what happened in in previous entity. And then here, it's been formed a lot of really incredibly deep relationships through music, and, and it's been beautiful. So I've got, I've gotten to have now the fourth record with a lot of different people that I think are just absolutely brilliant at what they do. And I feel like in that sense, it's it's hopefully rubbed off on me a little bit and I have grown from where I was when we started this thing. That's always the hope is that we're growing and headed somewhere.

Trevor Tyson  9:47  
Yeah. And one of those deep relationships you hinted on a little bit earlier. A lot of people don't know the Louie and Shelly Giglio. Actually, were one of those key people in your life back in 96. swim Yeah, I'm just start creating a record total. They kind of took you under their wing and invested a lot into that.

David Crowder  10:06  
When and with no. I moved to Waco to go to school about the time they were leaving waco they had been Shelly was went to Baylor. And Baylor's what took me to Waco, Texas to go to school there. But Shelley had been the Baylor Louis had had started up a weekly Bible study called choice that ever I mean, it was packed, it was like, you know, 1500 college kids every week, and it was amazing, but his dad was ailing and health. And so he he felt like he was supposed to go back to Atlanta, Georgia, where he had grown up and, and take care of his dad in his final days. And, and so he packed up everything and, and, and shut the choice thing down and, and was headed home. And then his dad died before he got like there and was like, Oh my gosh, so so like, why would I feel like God moving me to back home and that shut everything we'd invested, you know, 10 years of our lives in Waco, Texas. And now. Why Why? Why would you want me to go back home to Atlanta, Georgia. And out of that moment of what in the world? Where are you leading this passion conferences came that vision for collegiate students on a more national scale to get together. It was pretty, it's just crazy to me how when you look backwards to see how God was active. So he's he's kind of headed down that road. He's no longer in Waco. And our paths crossed through song. Again, he he gave me calls. I was on staff at that church and are on on staff at the church and wicked. It was mostly college kids, but I was so I was in the office one day, which I was rarely the office I have no idea why I was in the office. That was that was the worst employee ever. But I'm in the office and the phone rings and they say hey, somebody's on the phone for your Crowder and it's Louie Giglio. He says, Hey, man, my name is Louie. And I'm, like, very familiar with you. He goes, Well, I'm starting to steal this college conference deal. We're going to do it down in Austin as our second time to go for it. And, and we've recorded a live CD, and one of us some of your songs on this last CD, and I'm like, How in the world did you hear? You know, my songs? You know, we're just little church in Waco. And, and somehow the songs that leaked out a bit and, and he's like, Well, we have and we'd love to have it. And I'm like, That sounds awesome. So we started a friendship then. And, and then over the years that developed into like now. Now I'm going to his church in Atlanta, Georgia, and his and his wife, Shelly is my manager. And they started the six steps label. And it all came out of them trying to foster and steward folks like Matt Redman and Chris Tomlin and these guys that were writing songs for the church to sing and they wanted to give them space. To do it, they felt like God was calling them to do it without getting, you know, sucked into the machine of whatever, you know, labeled music, commercialism, all that stuff. They're just like, hey, let Chris Tomlin be Chris Tomlin. And let's find a space and a way for him to create, as well a platform for his music to get to the world and, and that's still kind of what they're up to today, as well as, as well as leaving the church community in Atlanta. That

Trevor Tyson  13:15  
That sounds like a busy schedule. And I think it's really cool that your relationship with them has lasted so long, especially when it comes to music. I know when you find people that you want to work with. It's it's something that you want to keep and steward and last as a friendship, but also a business partnership. But I think it would be an injustice to listeners not to dive a little bit deeper into your story before 96 Before the David Crowder, Astrix ban kind of took off. You were at Baylor but before then what did what was it like to be in David Crowder, growing up? You obviously didn't have the beard your whole life, which now it kind of seems like it but yeah, well what happened before that beard started popping out, man.

David Crowder  14:02  
Man, I had my parents who were awesome. We had a great time. I have a brother that's five years younger than me. And we were really great pals. We live kind of out in the country wound up with a bit of land that had you know, horses and cows and you know, our chores started really early in the morning with we had I mean it's crazy chickens and and that whole deal go get the eggs. I mean, it was like it was legit a lot of work. And And at one point I had I had a number of horses that I sold. And when I got into high school, I sold our horses, my horses and got us a family ski boat. I was no longer a cowboy. And instead we were like rats and and, and so most of our weekends early on, were spent at some sort of livestock get together and then By the time I was in high school it was I was always out at the lake but very much outdoors all the time. And my parents were pretty. They were, we were they they instilled in us a good worth work ethic is what I would say. I think they were like, I think they had us for a while. Me and my, my brother would joke, I think that they, they just figured they needed hands around the properties, they just needed some hands to help out. And, and so we figured that I figured I'd bust up the system by getting the boat, and it would get down on the workload. So we had it was it was a great childhood. My parents are super devout in their faith and and every, my my friends would come over to spend the night with me. And they were super excited and kind of freaked out that that we ate every meal together. And at the end of the middle at the end of the dinner, my dad would pull out. One of these books is Bible story books. There were these blue books and a series of them. And we would he would read a Bible story then we would pray and then and then it was on to whatever privity that we were going to get into for the rest of the evening. But it was that was that was every night. The same thing my mom had. We didn't have we didn't have much money. So my mom, we had the same meals every week. We had like, like Tuesday nights meatloaf, I hate meatloaf. I mean, my mom can't make meatloaf. It's a terrible is a terrible thing. But it was every Tuesday and every Wednesday is spaghetti night. It's not spaghetti. I wound up getting to spin night with a friend one time and early on. And I'm like what's this? And he just said spaghetti. I'm like, This is not spaghetti. We have spaghetti every Wednesday he goes this is totally spaghetti. I'm like, This is really good. This is not what we always

Trevor Tyson  16:50  
it's what does she do take the meatloaf up?

David Crowder  16:54  
That might be part of it. It was sort of these these noodles floating in like a pink liquid. It was it was bad. Oh, it's just really bad. It was not good. But we have government cheese. That was a big deal. You know, you try to make a sandwich out of the cheese and cut through it and just kind of burst into like a powder cloud cloud powder needed to kind of collect powder. Put it on the bread. You want to make a grilled cheeses something. Yeah, fake mashed potatoes. It was intense man. When Milka go. And this is another thing that freaked my friends out. It's like, when milk would go on sale. My dad would buy all of it. And I'm like it's on sale because it's like expired bro. And then what do you save it like a niggle? And then he would freeze it? He would freeze it. We'd have like milk, this gallons of milk and a deep freeze because it was a good price. And then you'd have to let it thaw in the fridge. And let me tell you thought was different. Whatever milk is made of it thought was a different consistencies where there were layers to it. You know, you had to shake it every time you go to

Trevor Tyson  17:55  
glass wall after you freeze it. Does it restart the clock? What's that look

David Crowder  18:00  
like? It restarted to whatever the date was that he bought it that but you don't know because it's like that's the it's gone. So it's always a it was a it was a guessing game when he went to get a bowl of breakfast. It was tough. Was his heart out there, man is what I'm saying. It made me just want to have a beard.

Trevor Tyson  18:19  
No, I gotta have something to catch us rotten. Now, what did your dad do for a living?

David Crowder  18:24  
He was an insurance agent. He he owned his own insurance agency. And, and you know, everybody loves their insurance agent. Nobody likes to know, people loved him, man. He was he was he was I thought he was the coolest guy on the planet. And at CES what I wanted to do, I wanted to I would go up to his office after school and and watch him you know, early on watching work. And eventually I was man I was given car quotes, like age 11

Trevor Tyson  18:54  
They're like, that's very similar to me. appliance store. I was. I learned how to sell and I never stopped. Let's go.

David Crowder  19:01  
There you go. That's it, man. It was it was contagious. I mean, he had the he had the office with the wood paneling. And this is you know, the 80s or whatever. And wood paneling had the wallpaper with the forest seen behind him. It looks like this is working from from in the forest. Had that phone with the shoulder holster thing holder on it. Just too bad. They didn't have zoom back then, man. Yeah, we could be seeing retina Yeah, right now.

Trevor Tyson  19:30  
That's wild. I can't I can't imagine you work in an insurance office.

David Crowder  19:34  
I'm gonna get it done. I couldn't get it done. Music was just something that neither my mom nor my dad were musically inclined. My mom's family was and she played like clarinet when she was growing up but you know, in her words and her family's words badly or poorly and, and yet, their family would every time they we'd get together, they would all bring their instruments and Uncle Lester had composed the piece and had written everybody's parts out. And they would get together the family band and, and my mom, I guess would squeak out some stuff on the clarinet that it was, it was very amazing, I think to have like a group of people that you call your own get together every year and play music as part of their their bonding. History. Great. So it's in there somewhere. But I just thought, you know what, anything that anybody would have thought like, hey, you know, when you grew up, David, we really hope that you pursue music. First of all, I don't think any parent ever does or kids this because just yet to have to have it pay any bills is probably as as fortunate as winning the lottery or something. But yeah, somehow, we wound up getting the skill set together. And I kept telling my dad early on, I was like, Man, I'm still coming just when they'll stop calling, I'll be there, you know. And eventually, I said, I don't think they're gonna stop petting. We're gonna have to move on. So he sold the place, and I don't have anything to fall back on now. So I gotta make

Trevor Tyson  21:13  
this is, uh, this is your no Plan B and how, how old? were you when you first picked up an instrument and started playing it? Because you play the guitar, the banjo, the piano? And you do it all very well, by the way?

David Crowder  21:25  
Well, I'll poke it anything around and? And well, so the answer the question, my mom didn't hear it. I don't know whose piano it was, she had inherited. We had a piano in the house. But it was one of those deals like, don't touch it. You know, when your kids like, don't touch that, you know, but you're also it's like, it's like the thing you're told not to touch. And it also makes noise. And so you got to touch. It's like, just to give it don't tell David not to touch it. And so I started banging around on it and getting in trouble. And then eventually, my mom was like, I think I recognize that tune. And so she was she she was at least aware enough to notice that I had an ear and so got me some lessons and I hated them. But she made me go and and I guess that's where things started for me. And then by the time I was in college, I really I loved music and, and putting it again, not for a career set. But I was so I was getting a BA which is like a cheap music degree. And it was my emphasis was in music. And I got to study everything else. As long as I could pass an entrance exam. I was like, This is great. And I started studying for that while going to school and then the church started and and I guess it means I'm what musically inclined the guy that was starting. It's like hey, man, can you help me out? And I was like, that's a bad idea. And, and here we are. Pastors, I say it all the time. Pastors are the most manipulative people on the planet. They got to do anything practically, you know, if they can

Trevor Tyson  22:58  
lead people to Christ, and I'm not saying they're selling the gospel or anything, you gotta be somewhat of a salesman to just encourage people to it. You know, you got the Jehovah's Witnesses, like no shade on them, they come to your door. There's some salesman, though I cannot tell you about the Lord Jesus Christ. And it's like, no. So for someone to actually be able to sit there and especially as talented as yourself and Louie Giglio, you know, the key people come in that that's a talent. That is a long, long talent. And you've also had such a long track record with music and everything, and obviously starting young. It is like winning the lottery to be able to do this and at the scale that God's given you the ability to do it at the pandemic hit while you were on winter jam. And I'm curious, what did that last week look like? were you seeing a fluctuation and crowd sizes? Were the Christian Oh, no,

David Crowder  23:54  
that was blown. It was it was blowing up. We were having the best time ever. And we were in Louisville, Kentucky. And, you know, it was really early on. Nobody knew what was going on. We knew that weekend that we were out we were headed to Ohio and Ohio was one of the first states to kind of shut things down. So we knew all right. We might not make it to Columbus, but we're in Kentucky. They'll surely with me fine and Kentucky. But no. I mean, we we like as a soundcheck it already happened. And and we got word that afternoon. Hey, pack it up. We're going home this weekend busted. And as I said with not knowing what was coming, everybody thought, Ah, well, maybe next weekend, so we'll we'll play it by ear see what next weekend holds. And then it's like maybe the next week then, you know, it's that it's like hey, you know flatten the curve shut down. 14 days, no zoom year and a half later. We're still you know, we're still trying to figure it out. So we didn't you know, it was a surprise for everybody for sure. And I hate to say you know, speaking of winning the lottery and and getting to do what you love to do is really amazing that I get to do Do This truly is that that not only that, I love music, but that I get to find that fulfillment of knowing I'm put together in a particular way. And I'm using the way that I'm, that I'm put together in a particular way to aid and in the story of the gospel being understood and and, and appreciated and shaping how we think about one another as well as, as God all through music. It's just, it's, it's really amazing. I don't want to use the word or words that took it for granted. But I think all of us had no clue that, that that could just be shut down overnight. And so I know that there's a great sense of gratitude and, and excitement, when when we get back together, it does feel really special, feels like something pretty profound and sacred and, and I hope that feeling stays is and it has to in a in a in a vague sense in the least. Just because you know, all of this could be gone overnight. And and that the church can gather is, is a pretty special thing.

Trevor Tyson  26:06  
And you've already gotten to go back out and do a little bit of touring. You did the winter jam weekends, how was it? How was the energy just getting back out after being cooped up for someone like you? That's touring all of the time? I can imagine being off for a year and a half years, just a loose cannon? How did that feel?

David Crowder  26:26  
Well, it was actually it was kind of nice to slow down for a second. It really was, you know, now that we're on the other side of it, and we could say Thank God we are it was it looking backwards, it was really amazing to be able to slow the pace a bit. And and you know, we were making an album, but at the same time, there was a sacredness in the solitude I guess is how would say. But my goodness, it's not just me. Everybody in the room when we got back out, like everybody, everybody's wound up and glad to be back out of the house. I promise that and, and especially when you as I said, getting this thing together as a church, it was it was tough on churches had to adapt and and, and a lot of things moved online and and man as soon as you're able to get back together and and it feels like the family of God. That's that's what we're made for. I believe and and so it's it's much better thing to be in a room with another person than to be on the other side of the zoo.

Trevor Tyson  27:26  
Oh, for sure. I wish we could have done this in person. That studio is phenomenal. Now, when did you learn any interior design while you were out?

David Crowder  27:35  
Oh, no, no, no, no, no. That's my wife's. It's in her territory. Which she's amazing edit, but I did. I did get to. She just makes she tries to make me feel involved with things you know, like, and I'm on tour now that'd be like, which means she'll put out some some color swaps or flowers or something like that. It'd be like, which one you think I had like that read. She's like, that's not the right one. Like, okay, we're about the floor about the brown. But that's the right one. Okay. I'm not even I'm not even a part of the deal. You know that she's making me feel like I like that's the wrong answer. Okay, tell me what the right one is this one. Okay, let's go with that one. Okay, she

Trevor Tyson  28:18  
helped out with any of the Live Set designs or anything like that.

David Crowder  28:22  
She has influence and all of all the stuff I'm doing anything that looks cool. I'm probably it's probably her fault. So she designed the front porch. Really? She didn't she would take you she had nothing to do with that. She says Oh, me. Yeah, that thing was a beast that was trouble. No one that's around me. And it works with me appreciated the porch because it's it was really difficult to haul around. And you know, it caused lots 10 can cut really quickly put a tin roof you know, in the back of the trailer you got to be very careful. It caused much injury and and is not it's not on the road anymore for lots of reasons.

Trevor Tyson  29:00  
Well, it definitely had it season and Kenny Rogers she's still doing all right. I'm assuming she had a road case or she at the house.

David Crowder  29:08  
She she's actually in a road case she she lives in the road case. And that's great. You know, you can't do that with a lot of pets. You got a feeder. It's just so everybody knows that's a it's a taxidermied arctic fox named Kenny Rogers that we take with us everywhere. We like to say that we go where she goes. She's our fearless leader. And she's the cheapest of all of us in catering, you know, catering bill is pretty minimal, and she's well behaved and does everything I tell her to do. It's pretty great.

Trevor Tyson  29:41  
Man, that's best something there. Kenny. She's beautiful. One of the more people

David Crowder  29:46  
ask about it. The more questions you have about her, the more confusing it gets. So you know, it's a debate. The basic explanation is when we had the front porch, a friend of mine I'd come up with the front porch thing, you know, lasers You'd out of the windows and it looks like you walked to Cracker Barrel or something. And, and, and the friends like, man, you can't have a proper porch without a proper dog. And I'm like, I have just the thing. And so Kenny came out with and became sort of a mascot of sorts, it legitimizes what we're doing when we say we're making porch music. That's it, she makes in the reasons the Girl doll is named ahead of time. You know, it's white, it's Arctic box. And so of course, I think my brother I don't remember who named it, but somebody started calling it Kenny Rogers. And and then my brothers, I think pointed out said, that's obviously a girl dog. And then you know, for obvious reasons, it was too late. So stick with Kenny.

Trevor Tyson  30:44  
Man, that's phenomenal. And so you've gone from Neon steeple to American prodigal to I know, it goes to now Milk and Honey, what's next for David Crowder.

David Crowder  30:54  
Man, like, like you said earlier, I cannot wait to get out and tour these things. I can't wait to be singing the songs with you know, sitting, sitting in the basement here. Thinking of of groups of people singing together, I can't wait to actually get to get to go do that. And and like, like I said earlier, we've we've had a couple of moments. But when we get to be out on tour again and do it night after night, it's gonna be a it's gonna be an absolute miracle. I see it on the calendar, but I don't believe it till we're there. You know,

Trevor Tyson  31:23  
you just announced a tour with

David Crowder  31:27  
Sean Curran. Yeah. Sean Curran, which is you know, he's another of the PCC, you know, church rats around here. And I love hearing what he's been doing. And, and so I can't wait. We're gonna have a great time. He's a great dude.

Trevor Tyson  31:40  
Man, that's sick. I'm gonna have to come out and catch that one. And where can people find you on social media?

David Crowder  31:46  
Oh, crowd look up. Crowder. crouchers. Yeah, do a Google search. It's just been crowded and probably be. I don't know, it's crowded. I don't know where it is crowded music or

Trevor Tyson  31:58  
crowd or music. But they can they could type it in the search engine to you. Sometimes

David Crowder  32:01  
it's crowded, I think on Instagram, it's crowded. And then I think somewhere else, it's crowded music. I don't know, man,

Trevor Tyson  32:07  
that pretty much sums it up. I'll put the link in the description for that. But everybody can find milk and honey on all streaming platforms. And I'd highly encourage you to go to Crowder, music.com and purchase that thing. Because you know, that just helps keep the boat going a little bit further. But David, man, thank you so much for taking time out of your day to do this. It's absolutely

David Crowder  32:26  
good to see you again. And great to chat catch up a little bit. So awesome.

Trevor Tyson  32:31  
Yeah, hopefully we run into each other on the live circuit eventually. But

David Crowder  32:34  
that would be wonderful. Hopefully, it's not like, you know, in circumstances where we're blazing to get somewhere.

Trevor Tyson  32:40  
Yeah, stuck on a plane for what, three hours. And we had to be at the airport at 430. That's one thing we failed to say. But, man, yeah, it's been a pleasure to have you on and thank you to all the listeners for tuning in yet again. It's pretty phenomenal to get to speak with people I grew up listening to and I know everyone else loves you. You're one of our top requests to guests that we've had. But yeah, thank you all for listening. And thank you to new release today for making this interview happen yet again on the new early Saturday podcast network and we will talk to you guys next week.

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