Rosie Rivera

Trevor Tyson  0:01  
Thank you for tuning in to Trevor talks podcast where we talk to real people about real topics in real stories. Today's guest is a powerhouse voice of faith is a business woman television personality and social media influencer. And she's even considered one of the most influential and inspirational Latinas in the world. She has a new book out now called God is your defender and such a powerful testimony that she has to go with that, ladies and gentlemen, here is Miss Rosie Rivera. Rosie, thank you so much for being here.

Rosie Rivera  0:33  
Thank you, Trevor. I'm glad to be here with you. Yeah,

Trevor Tyson  0:36  
as I said in the intro, I'm just super intrigued about your story. And even the fact that they call you one of the most influential and inspirational Latinos in the world. Where did all of that start? That's such

Rosie Rivera  0:48  
a is, but that's pretty cool. But yeah,

Trevor Tyson  0:52  
and you're a mother of three, and you have a husband and you balance all of this. You're an author of five books now. Come on. That's it.

Rosie Rivera  1:02  
You know, as a little girl that love to read, actually reading was one of my coping mechanisms as a child. So now to be able to give that back into the world just like full circle. And it's just I'm a I'm a bookworm. And I think I always want me,

Trevor Tyson  1:15  
I love that so much. And do you remember going into bookstores as a child and just seeing books on the shelf? Library and being like, I want to do that one day.

Rosie Rivera  1:24  
Yes, I'm the I'm the girl that used to like smell the books. The older books intrigued me. They're so gorgeous, like first editions. And I just remember wanting every single book in the Babysitter's Club collection, just like I couldn't wait for the next one. And and now it's kind of fun. My kids don't read as much. But just yesterday, my eight year old asked me to take her to a Barnes and Noble and I don't know if it's for her more for me, because they all know that that's like, the perfect place to take me to have a cup of coffee and just like read through books, just I could be there all day.

Trevor Tyson  1:58  
And what's it like to show your children your boat, the finished product, something that you've put your heart and soul into? And mind you, the books are very vulnerable, they're opening up about your story, which we're definitely going to dive into, because there's just so much to unpack, but that this that have any bike along with this question, Does that have any influence on what you put into the books what your kids are going to read one day?

Rosie Rivera  2:20  
Definitely, right now showing my kid, my eight year old, you know, and my four year old, my books is easy, you know, to them, I let them see that. It's something that that takes time and dedication and pour your heart into and it's a finished product. For them. It's like hate, finish what you start for my 18 year old. I mean, this book is cake. Compared to what I had to talk to her about when with my first book, with my broken pieces, just letting her know before she found out in an interview in a story before she read it, um, was was a little bit challenging. I mean, I think the scariest thing that I had to tell her was that I had had an abortion because I was putting it in the book, and explaining some of the stories about her and her dad because her dad and I separated when I was pregnant with her. So I wanted to be very mindful of my daughter. And if there was anything she didn't want me to put in there, I was gonna respect it. And also her her dad, he's a great father. And now we're grateful parents, thank God. But I was I was mindful of him while still keeping it really honest. It's still my story. I'm not trying to offend him. But I do think it's important to tell my story and my daughter understood and didn't judge me. And she knows she has a sister in heaven now and and it even drew us closer.

Trevor Tyson  3:47  
Was that an emotional conversation to have with your 18 year old daughter?

Rosie Rivera  3:52  
It was really scary for me. I mean, I have done a lot of crazy things in my life. Things that sometimes I'm still preaching on an altar and in my mind wants to say i You don't have to say that, you know, I was addicted to pornography and confused about my sexuality. And, and just so I mean, I was very promiscuous in my teenage years. So things like that. But this was even scarier than like saying all that to in front of 3000 people. It's, it's my daughter, who who thinks I'm amazing. And I've never wanted to make her think I'm perfect. I'm just me. I think it's the best thing that I can do for her and her walk with Christ. I don't ever want her to leave home and say, oh, now I'm in the real world. No, this is a real world. And if and if you and if I'm upset with my husband at home, we're gonna go to church and we're not going to fight at church, but I'm not holding his hand and not to be petty but to show my child I'm the same. And so this is so scary for me. It was I was full of emotion. I prayed a lot about it about how to describe it about how to do Give her my reasons for an abortion without giving any judgment on anybody involved and really having her understand me as a woman, as a person. And granted, she was only 12 or 13. But still, I thought it was very important for her to hear it from me. And I didn't know what her reaction was going to be, you know, like, Mom, are you horrible or hey, yeah, you know, who cares? Uh, no, she she genuinely cared. And there was just a relief at the end, and even joy. And I had never considered that I had four children. It was through my daughter was like, Hey, I have an older sister and she's in heaven. And that was really healing for me. So it was

Trevor Tyson  5:42  
a surprise. That is, that's, that's a testimony on its own. So many people have options and recovered from sexual abuse and trauma. And the really unique thing about your story is not everyone grew up in the public eye. What we haven't touched on yet is your sister Jenny Rivera was a megastar. So you've been bullied on national TV, you've been on a ton of TV shows you worked side and side with Telemundo to produce stuff for Netflix. Like you have a extravagant life that people get to see. But you're just a real person at the end of the day, and you have real stories to share. So I'd really love to dive into the beginning, like from your childhood on how God has moved in your life and your life story.

Rosie Rivera  6:30  
Yeah, I feel like I'm living someone else's dream. When people call me an influencer, it surprises me. That was never the goal. I love to have influence. It's an honor to have influence over one person's life. But a social media influencer or being on TV or producing a show for Netflix, or Telemundo is I never even dreamt of it. But I did. I had prayers. You know, when when God healed me from sexual abuse, I wanted to reach out and grab every single woman, child man that had been through it, and say, Hey, I have I have a, I have a solution. I want to share it with you. And so my prayers began, like, Hey, God, let me reach 2 million people. I don't know, you know, and but how was I going to do that? In in my private, you know, 200 people church. So God heard and knows the cry of my heart and gave me these platforms that I consistently remind myself to use for him.

Trevor Tyson  7:35  
Yeah, that's amazing. Where did it all start for you?

Rosie Rivera  7:39  
My battle began when I was eight. I mean, my dad used to set me on his lap, I was four years old, five, six, and my dad would sit me on his lap to have breakfast with him, I would kind of join him and I'd ruined it. I'd sneeze all over it because I was allergic to his cologne didn't find out till years later. And my mom would say she don't let her do it. She's gonna ruin your dinner at your breakfast. And dad would say, she's my kid, she couldn't ruin anything. And you would eat it. That's when I knew mercy deep in my soul without knowing the name. I knew, like, Hey, you can't ruin it. You make mistakes, or there's an issue going on, but ruin it. And, and my dad used to ask me like, What are you going to be when you grow up? But it wasn't like me by myself or me wondering, it was more like, I want to know because your dad is going with you. And so I used to tell him things like, I want to be an astronaut. You can do it. I mean, I didn't even know that I wouldn't meet so many of the requirements, help intelligence financial. We were Mexican American family, they were immigrants. We were poor. And he didn't tell me any of those limitations. He just told me you could do it. I guess he knew the world would tell me the limitations. He was giving me that. He was not he was letting me know of the power I have inside me. And I ate it up. I mean, it's my dad. And so by the time I was seven, I knew I could be anything. And I can and I was like, I'm gonna be an astronaut. Or I could be a teacher or a woman on the Supreme Court of the United States. Or I could be the person that cleans up the trash every Tuesday. There's nothing too high or too low for me. And so I was walking this world, a seven year old empowered girl. And I think the enemy tried to use sexual abuse to tear that down. I mean, as eight years old when my sister's first husband started sexually abusing me. And I didn't know what was going on. I didn't know what sex was. I knew kissing was something that came out on TV and you're not supposed to look and we didn't talk about it. And then when I was nine in sex ed in the fifth grade, is when I was shook. I remember being so upset. I threw up like the anger was so much because because of what was going on, but because also I felt fooled and I felt dumb. Until this day, if I don't watch that, whenever someone tells me I'm dumb, I will get defensive, I'll get angry. And so I have to watch that trigger. And so when I, when he tried it again, it was nine a whole year had passed in a couple incident incidences. He tried to touch me. And for the first time, I said, No, I didn't freeze, I didn't go off into my, my story, whatever book I was reading, I stayed in the moment and opened my eyes and said no to him, yelled it. And he covered up my mouth with his hand. And I'll never forget it, because now I know, that's the day he tried to rob my voice. And now I know that my voice is so powerful, because people don't try to rob things that don't have value. So he tried to steal something from me, that was very powerful. And so that's why I use my voice. But he told me, Hey, you know, be quiet, you better not tell anyone, or I'll kill your sister. And I was nine with the fear that entered my life of of death, and of her death, and that he would kill her. And because we witnessed domestic violence all the time with them, it was a possibility. And so I felt at 910 11 for a very large part of my my young life, that I had to protect, defend and save so many people, and that that saving was sacrificing me. And now I know that the only Savior is Christ, that I am no one Savior, and that I don't have to sacrifice myself for anyone else that's already been done. But at 10 years old, when you think you have to save your sister's life and go through this pain and silence, you stop thinking about Barbies, and astronauts and teachers, all you want to do is take the stress off. So I started drinking at 13 drugs at 16. abusing them heavily at 18. And I was just like functioning, I was a straight A student because I wanted to see if my value could come from my diploma, and the pain could go away with the substances. And that's kind of how I live my life.

Trevor Tyson  12:21  
And to go through that all as a teenager, and especially, it's almost as if it sounds like he tried to steal your voice, but really he amplified it. He gave you that, like substances could not break that heat. So many people go through that. And they feel as if their voice is stolen. But time and time again, we hear these stories from men and women who have been sexually abused, and they're really amplifying your voice. indirectly. So one thing that they were using to be selfish with and they wanted some pleasure out of it, especially with him being a family member, you trusted him.

Rosie Rivera  13:01  
Yeah, there was no reason not to. Yeah, I had known him since I was four. He was never mean to me. He he was a totally different guy in front of other people. So I now know it wasn't my fault. But it took a long time to be able to figure that out, especially when he begins abusing his daughter. And then and that was I found out at 13. And I was so upset with myself. I mean, before I had just hated him. Now I hated myself, because I'm like, your plan didn't work. And you should have done this. And you should have done that and avoided someone else's pain. And so that I think that's when the substance abuse began. When I really hated myself, and, and sexual abuse really tries to kill your identity and the identity of your Creator. You don't know who he is because the images that God can use in our life, a father, a male, you know, everything that we're told, you know, no one can touch us were protected. The sexual abuse, if you especially when you have to go through it alone questions everything. And so I started to question I knew God existed, but I had no idea what he was like, I genuinely didn't know if I was the only little girl happened to or if it happened to everyone, and we just didn't talk about it. I didn't know if God didn't care or if he didn't know or if he could, like I don't, I was really genuinely confused. So by the time I was 25, I had a child out of wedlock. But I had married someone else just because he was the only guy that wanted to I literally knew I knew him. I dated him for like three months and in a parking lot. One day, he's just like, Hey, you want to marry me? Sure. Like I didn't even like him. I was just desperate for a family for love. And he started to to verbally abuse me three days later he was A lot of like toxic and psychological abuse, where it's like, I have to take away your makeup and take away all your clothes. And he would just throw my stuff away and isolate me from my friends and my family and call me the worst names. And I believed them. Because to me, it was a confirmation of what I had been telling myself since I was eight, you're good for nothing, all you you're good for a sex and not even that good at it. And people could just throw you away after so at least he's not throwing you away. And it was horrific. And I think my my bottom came when he raped me. And I mean, I didn't want to have sex with him. He just called me so many names all day, I felt like trash. I didn't want to be intimate with anyone. And he, he raped me and threw me out of the hotel room, which is this t shirt on. And the guy at the front desk, thought I was a prostitute. And I didn't know him. And he didn't know me. And I've never done that. And I just put the label on Sure. I'm a prostitute. And little girl was supposed to be an astronaut. And here I am. A prostitute. And that's when I said, You know what, I'm just going to kill myself. I'm going to relieve myself, but also everyone else of me. I'm going to relieve my daughter of me, she'll be better off without me. My parents won't stress anymore. My mama will rest because I'm a failure. And and I tried to kill myself in an in that 2am In the middle of the street in some dark city or street in LA half drunk and drugged up on I think it was Tylenol, taking like 40 Tylenol once. I just cried out to God and said, Hey, can you just take my life? I, I don't even know if I could do it. I can't take it. But you know, just do whatever you want with that I'm gonna go to sleep on the street right now. And if I get run over, do what you want. When I wake up. And I was thinking one thing, I was thinking of physical death. And what I was really doing was allowing God to move. I was giving him authority to move in my life and do what he wanted with my life. And he did. And it's been fantastic. Difficult. There's been tears, it hasn't been easy. But in fact, sometimes I'm like, wow, is there more trials because of this? I don't know. But he's never left me. And I sometimes thought about leaving the walk, leaving the way just because I feel not like I'm not good enough. Like, I can't get this right. And then I'm like, but where would I go? Like the drinking the smoking that? I can't, I can't anymore. So like, I know that the peace and the joy, the healing that I need is right here.

Trevor Tyson  17:46  
And going through that almost detrimental season of your life leading up to wanting to kill yourself. Are you a Christian at that time? Were you believer your whole life? Or was this the first time God really moved in? You

Rosie Rivera  18:01  
know, my mom became a believer when I was nine years old. So she would drag us to church, like literally had to drag me. And I was that girl on the back roads like Oh, whatever, and can't wait to get out of here. And, and I thought I wasn't paying attention. I mean, I liked the way the guy preached. I was like, Whoa, he's talented. Okay, that's interesting. I you know, I love literature. So to me, the Bible has always been a beautiful book, but it wasn't alive to me. And I didn't want it. I didn't feel worthy of it. I felt that God would reject me if you really knew who I was. So before he rejected me, I would reject Him. And that's kind of how I live my life. And so at 25 My mom had invited me to church for 11 years, every single Sunday. And I was always like, no, because it's full of hypocrites and liars. And, and in my really weak moments, I would, you know, tell my mom, mom, they're not going to receive me, look at me, like, she knew about the abortion. She knew about the drugs and alcohol and she didn't know how bad it was, but she knew she saw her daughter for who she was. But then she would also tap into what heaven saw and what heaven said about me. And she would tell me, like, You're amazing. You're gonna be a speaker, you're a great evangelists. 1000s you're gonna come to the Lord through you. You are a great woman of God. And I used to think she was crazy. And now I know. She's a great woman of faith. So when I called my mom on that Sunday morning, like, Hey, I'm gonna take you to church. She was like, Don't you mess with me? They won't let me sing. If I'm late. I don't care if I'm the pastor's mama. And I, I drove her to church and I smelled I was hungover. I don't think I had even showered. I just felt like dead. And she didn't say a word. I think she was interceding. And so when I just got to church that day, I don't remember what they preached about. I remember some of the songs, but I just knew I was loved. I knew it like. Like it was the realest thing. The most true thing I've ever known is that I'm loved and His mercy is what transformed me. It was his mercy, that that to this day can still make me weep. And I still need every single morning. So I'm glad he has it for me, for us,

Trevor Tyson  20:24  
whenever he does, and he's walking you and your family through this season of we've been through the hardships, there's probably going to be more to come. But God, we trust you. You're our defender. Now. When did the spotlight come into your life? And how did that transpire?

Rosie Rivera  20:39  
I mean, my family has been famous since I was about 13. They kind of fell into it. I mean, my dad owned a recording studio, but none of us ever took one vocal class or, and my brother became famous, my sister became famous. And now I know that it was a plan of God, but I was always avoiding it. I was I was chubby, and I didn't see myself as talented in that way. I didn't know I had any talent. And I was always running from cameras. And I had sworn to myself to my father, I will never be in the media ever, ever father, like my sister was like, Hey, you could at least be a sports reporter, a news reporter to be like, not even that, you know, that's like, I don't want to be in front of a camera. I don't want to talk to people. I was hiding from family parties. So when my sister dies, 2012 I mean, my biggest fear came true. I had been dreading this since I was nine. And she knew it. I would text her sister, please don't ever ever die. And her reply would be you're at a funeral, aren't you? And I would say yes. And I don't know how the sisters not. I don't know how she's standing. Because I would be dead sister, I will die without you. I'll be depressed. I'll go back to the drinkin out, you know, as to take me with you. Just pray to God that when you go, he takes me with you. And, and he did it. And I was so upset. I'm so I'm going through the most horrific, tragic, scary, painful situation in my life. And not only did I lose my sister, I lost my privacy in one day, just as soon as it leaked that I was her trusty. There was cameras camped out outside the house. What's Rosie going to do? What she's going to say what she liked? Can she do this? Is she strong enough? Or she's a girl and she doesn't even sing? Why would Jenny choose her? Oh, she's going to fail. And I was just trying to stand up in the morning. And try not to go back to the drinking and the smoking and that. And it's it's been eight years. It's been it's been war. I'm not crazy. I am not depressed. I didn't go back to the drugs. I tried the drinking a little bit. And it didn't give me what I needed. I can no longer depend on it. i It doesn't numb what God can heal. And I know that so I just give him glory because I'm standing and I can smile. And he's never left me. And so in these eight years, the scrutiny, the public scrutiny, oh Lord. But I am so glad that seven years before he, he gave me the platform, we worked on my identity. I know whose I am. And I know that I am his daughter. And he didn't say it was going to be easy. But I know that I'll have peace the way he told the woman with the hemorrhage. He doesn't know her as the woman with the hemorrhage. That's what we call her he called her daughter. And he said Go in peace. And because you've been made whole, so I don't know what I'm gonna face tomorrow. But in these eight years, I've had peace and I've been home, nothing has been able to break me down destroy me defeat me, because I'm his daughter. And so that I use that always and and just the way I defend my daughter with my imperfections as a parent. My father defends me like the apple of his eye. And you know, it's not always easy. Sometimes I'm like you're taking too long. You're not doing it the way I want. What am I supposed to do while I wait? And that's what this book is about is everything that I learned, waiting for God to defend me for 18 years from the man that sexually abused me. Once I gave him to God. And I just said, You know what, Lord, I'm tired of looking for him. I'm tired of wanting to kill him. I'm tired of being bitter. You do it. I'm going to focus on healing. And the first thing he told me was forgive him. And that conversation with God was very interesting, because I was like, Are you crazy? He's not. It was. It was a great process in the sense that God was with me every step it took About four or five months to forgive this man. And the only reason I knew it was because I saw him being arrested. And I knew the pain he was going to be in. And it wasn't necessarily

Rosie Rivera  25:13  
satisfying and what I thought it would be. I mean, justice is great. And justice is a victory for so many of us. But I didn't have to tell him, I didn't have a speech, I didn't have to hit him, or prove my nothing. He was just like, Man, this guy's going to jail. Now he's locked up, and I'm free. I'm free in Christ. So praying to forgive someone really transforms you. And I'm so thankful for that. And so now, when people attack me, publicly, privately, families, strangers church. I'm like, You know what, it cost Jesus way too much on the cross. And it cost me too much to forgive the man that sexually abused me, I'll just forgive them. I'll go through the process. Because I don't want anything to take my peace at all. To me, it's my peace is so valuable. And I don't let anyone take that anymore.

Trevor Tyson  26:10  
Yeah, and instead of getting revenge, like physically verbally bashing them online, you're saying that the forgiveness and the grace that you give to them is the best thing you can for your mental health, and possibly even for them finding Jesus? How did you do that? Yes. Like, what? Because when something bad happens to anybody, I'll say myself, for example, I'm like, Oh, wait till they get theirs. But how did you come to the conclusion? Like, I'm just gonna forgive them? Like, it's less stress on me. And God's been good to me. Like, that's best grace as a pure example, God gives us I

Rosie Rivera  26:53  
still go through that every single time, every single time. If if, I mean, I say, and I'm not kidding you, I need the Holy Spirit to go to Walmart. Because a few years ago, being Christian, I still got in a fight at Walmart. So it's not that it's easy. It's not that, you know, it's, it's a muscle that I'm building. And for me, it's like, I want to bounce back faster. That's it. It's not that, you know, I'm taking a hold of my ego faster. And that's the goal, and going to Christ faster, and crying it out to him faster weather, then like, spilling it out to 20 people and venting and spreading a rumor, like, I just want to bounce back faster. So I go through it every single time, I get just as mad and just as hurt. And I still have those same like, oh, I can't wait to you, um, and God's like, you know, and so it's a process that I go through every single time, whether it's something small, like a bad Yelp review where you're like, or, I don't know, something huge, like, someone accusing me of theft, so publicly, and I'm like, I could just, I will show them every single bank account. And Jesus is like, let me show them. God, but you're gonna take long, it'll be for you know, it'll, it'll be for your good. And so the lessons he has taught me, in this process are so valuable to me. And to my children, I mean, my 18 year old says, I'm so glad my, my younger siblings have a better mom. And that's not offensive at all. She grew up in the transition of angry Rosie, kill him, Rosie, to healing. And I was never abusive with her. But I was so mad all the time. That her mindset, well, if I mess up, she'll transfer that anger to me. And, and she is a very talented, very gorgeous, charming young lady. But she was scared. And so my seven year old, eight year old, she's not scared, she will do she will say she's a little sassy. And I love that sass. It's difficult sometimes, but I don't want to take that from her. So my kids don't know me as angry Rosie anymore. And that is so beneficial. I didn't even know that could be one of the rewards. 15 years ago when I was trying when I decided to obey Jesus and forgive this man, and it isn't even me. It is it is the Holy Spirit that empowers me. All I had to do was make the choice and it wasn't because he deserved it. And it wasn't because I knew how the benefits it was. I wanted to obey Christ. That's it. I just want to obey you. And and in that thank God is where I found true joy and peace.

Trevor Tyson  29:45  
Wow. And a lot of people probably see you on Instagram 1.6 million followers, Mike. we've navigated the money, the fame, every single aspect. But the conclusion of all of this and the one message I would like people To take away and I want to ask your opinion on that after is money, fame, Glamour, none of that is the end game. That's not going to tell you. There's so much that goes into that. And you don't have privacy, you don't have people that work nine to five and have a basic salary and such get to go home and turn it off. You can't go to Walmart, you can't go to Target. I see people posting memes all the time, like go to Target get all this like, that has to be a chore now, like you had all of it land in your lap. You didn't ask for it. But it's going to heal people and for people that are listening are like, Man, I don't care what you're saying, Trevor? Like, if I had money if I had fame, all of this would be fixed.

Rosie Rivera  30:46  
Yeah, you know, I, I have lived it all. Like I think of Paul who said, I can do all things through Christ who gives me strength. But the verses before it are, Hey, I've been loved and I've been hated. I've been rich, I've been poor. I've been educated and ignorant. And and in it all, I have found contentment. I have learned that money doesn't make you better. Money doesn't necessarily make you worse. It's neither good or bad. It just is. It can magnify who you are now. So you're like, Oh, when I make money, I'm a tithe when I make money, I'm going to donate. No, if you're not doing it now, with the 10 bucks you have I mean, even if it's 10 cents 20 cents, you're not going to do it when you're a millionaire. It will magnify who you are. So are you ready to be magnified? Are you ready to really see yourself because that's what it does. And so sometimes I feel that there are so many blessings for us. I mean, the word says it, but we're not ready. God's ready. He's like I want to child but I wouldn't give my 12 year old dizzy 28 Camaro, I waited till she could drive and, and it wasn't even her first car, she can handle the power. So I want to train her coach her. And I think that's what God's doing for us. He's not withholding goodness from you. He is waiting until we're ready for the goodness so that we don't destroy it or destroy ourselves along the way. And I just know that the most. And I could say it now and I'm so happy I can say it with all my heart. The most precious thing to this day that I know, is Christ's love and mercy and His grace. It's just the Holy Spirit. I cannot live without him. I cannot I need him. And I've lived through it all. And so not all, I don't want to say that through a lot. And what I've lived through the greatest gift I've ever been given is the advocate is my Holy Spirit. So I Yeah, it's okay, if you have ambitions being content does not mean not have ambitions, that doesn't mean I'm not going to move or work or do something. It just means I trust in the, in the plan and the process that God has for me, I trust it. And that's hard. Sometimes I get you. So go out there work, you know, do what you got to do. But don't depend on that house. Don't not for your value, certainly not for your value, and, and not for your joy. To me that only comes from God.

Trevor Tyson  33:25  
And it's so easy to see. Now the reason God gave you the influence that you have stewarding it so well, extravagant generosity, if you can't be extravagant with the little finances that you have now. That's exactly right. You can't you're not going to do it because you're not used to it building healthy habits now, but the little things that people may have. It's just so beautiful. And Rosie, thank you so much for just being here today. And where can people find out more about all of the ventures that you have, including your nonprofit and Netflix shows and everything

Rosie Rivera  33:58  
you can go to Instagram is where I'm most active. So Rosie Rivera, but also Facebook, YouTube, tick tock. And if you want to get the book, it's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble premier collectibles, you could just go to my my bio on reservoir or God is your defender.com

Trevor Tyson  34:18  
Awesome, and we're gonna link all of that in the description below. Thank you again for being here. Just so much Trevor was such a great talk. Yeah, and this episode has been brought to you by new release today. We're going to have all Rosie's info linked in the description below and just remember the core message of this whole episode. God is your defender. Go check out Rosie's book, her socials and we'll talk to you guys next week.

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